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Penders logic (Part 1 of ?) by Louis-the-Hedgehog Penders logic (Part 1 of ?) by Louis-the-Hedgehog
So when he does it it's paying homage to other things, but when other do it to him, it's STEALING?!?! *facepalm* headdesk* *passes out*.

Mr. Penders, why do you get to play by a looser set of rules than everyone else? For those who don't know Penders is attempting a lawsuit against SEGA/EA/BioWare for "stealing" his ideas for use in Sonic Chronicles. When in fact they were actually trying to pay homage to him. So he decided to thank them by suing them. You know, I would expect a 6-year-old to pull something like this, and he's a grown man, probably over the hill.

But he has no problem "paying homage" to other ideas. But the problem is according to his "logic", he deserves to be sued by Paramount Pictures, and Lucasfilm Entertainment (and possibly Disney as well). So why can you do this when you think it is wrong for others to do so? It reminds me of other people in the Sonic fandom who complain about people parodying their parody, or recoloring their recolor. (Though I admit, maybe the Bird of Prey is a little bit of a stretch.)

If Penders steals the SSV Normandy design (made by the people he is trying to sue) in "The Lara-Su Chronicles", I'm gonna lose it.

But before you say "BUT LOUIZ, YOUR F-70 STOLE FROM TEH Su-47!" here is the difference. Yes, my F-70 design does have traits inspired from the Su-47, such as the forward swept wings (but so does the NASA X-29). However there are ALSO differences. For example, the wing sweep of the Su-47 is FIXED, the wing sweep of the F-70 is VARIABLE. Plus the Su-47 has twin tail booms, each one on the outboard sides of the engines, and one is a little longer than the other. The F-70 has only one between the engines. Also the canard fore-planes for the Su-47 are mounted on the leading edge root extension just like the Rafale by Dassault Aviation. The F-70 has it's canard fore-planes mounted near the cockpit just like the Eurofighter Typhoon by British Aerospace. Also I borrowed a few traits from the F-22 Raptor (my favorite plane) for the F-70 as well, such as the diamond shaped fuselage and the three part weapon bays.

So yes, I did use ideas from other places as well, but not blindly like Penders does. Instead I take several ideas, and carefully blend them together and make modifications while throwing technology from the 33rd century into the mix. I then carefully justify every detail in my mind almost as if the design were to actually exist. In other words, I did what SEGA/EA/Bioware did for the Penders concepts, and what Penders SHOULD have done in the comics. THAT is the difference for what I do.

And if you still consider what I do to be "stealing", well, by that logic SEGA is far worse. In Sonic Adventure 2 they blindly copied the the Su-34, the Mi-24, the Saturn V, and EVEN THE SPACE SHUTTLE! Also, because of the Archie-Sonic "reboot" (more like stripping away) due to Penders' previous stupid lawsuit, those G.U.N. fighters attacking the Egg Carrier look EXACTLY like the F-15 Eagle other than the fact the G.U.N. design has one engine when the real life design has two. LAME!

So my next few deviations will be redesigns of what Penders "borrowed" and I'll call them "What Penders SHOULD have done". Heck, if so many things are given stupid redesigns, is it too much to ask that we have a few GOOD ones? Heck, I already redesigned the "Tornado-X" from Sonic X into something that looks like it can actually fly. Man, Archie and SEGA should hire ME to do this!
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KABren Featured By Owner May 6, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I confronted Ken about his blatant plagiarism on his own board years ago (After not taking any more of this bs when he ripped off Dune content) and he said it was just a "tribute". There is a fine line between "Tribute" and "Copyright Violation"; The Rugrats echidnas, okay... it's side stuff that appears once off to the side in one panel... but the Star Trek Guardian ancestor?? No. No.. no. 
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Louis-the-Hedgehog Featured By Owner May 8, 2015
Well to be fair he claims that he wanted the designs to be similar but it were the artists that blindly copied them. I'm not sure who to believe.
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KABren Featured By Owner May 11, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hard to say, considering the characteristics of the individual >.>
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yoshimickster Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015
Okay those two Star Wars ships, and one Trek ship are just a one panel homage though you could still debate me on that. The Battle Cruiser I will NOT debate you on that, they have different wingspans, different color schemes, different weapons, different bodies, that is a proper homage. 

But even so it wasn't just Julie Su's design, it was also the fact that she was tech-clad possible love interest echidna girl who was part of a cyber cult of echidnas who are forced to live in the nightmare ca-I MEANT ZONE lead by a white furred echidna named Doctor Finet-I MEAN IMPERATOR IX . Its a bit similar to a lot of Penders work. And I disagree about this being a proper homage, you know why? Look at the manual, you know what's not there? A section saying "Based on characters by Ken Penders and Archie Comics". That is the least they could do, but they didn't. Shame on them.

And so what if he wants compensation, in case you've forgotten he got dirt pay for his work so logically he'd be a little angry! How would you feel if you got payed dirt for a really cool design, while the corporation that owns it makes a good lot of money for it? Probably pretty bad. I bet you sided with DC when the Kirby estate asked for compensation for his work, or with Todd Macfarlane when Neil Gaiman wanted the rights to his characters.

This has been a Sonic fan defending Ken Penders, I know that sounds alien to you all as most of you are defending the idiot company that allowed that "Sonic Boom" game to exist but there it is. 
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NODOGAN Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014
honestly the fact he could create anything in first place is because of the lenience in which japan allowed American sonic related products (the comics among them) to be produced, so in all due sense Penders and his whole cast of characters were only there because Sega did allowed it, plus the plot of a technological advanced clan in another dimension has been used several times in fiction, so claiming copyright was a very sore, very silly mood, is as stupid as if i made a star wars fan char that can breathe underwater and get stronger the angrier he gets (obviously i'm making a hulk based character but NOT recognizing i got all the ideas from the hulk) and then i get mad because Star Wars suddenly has a water-breathing alien race,in resume: we lost the echidnas because of petty rage of one men, and now have to make-do with the fishfolks, which i have mixed feelings towards (i like the design of some, but now i feel the excuse of "all the meat ingest in mobius comes from the sea" doesn't applies anymore)
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Test4Echo7 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
If only we could smash the irony of this situation through Penders' ego, maybe he'd finally see the likely lawsuit he'd have with Sega over M:25YL Knuckles vs the Praetorian. But that's not likely to happen until it's too late for him...
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lightyearpig Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2014
I'm betting Penders is really Eggman in disguise
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Louis-the-Hedgehog Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2014
My thoughts exactly.
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LegendySonicFan Featured By Owner Edited Sep 30, 2014  Hobbyist
Penders should of known this was an official comic book about Sonic the Hedgehog created by Sega. Sega has all the rights to use their own characters from their Sonic comics anyways. But yeah Archie should of gave Penders his dang cash for the heck of it instead of having Ian Flynn murder so many characters and rebooting the whose series while kissing Takashi Iizuka's butt.
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lightyearpig Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014
Just goes to show that Penders is the most powerful Gary Stu this side of the planet.
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HannahTheHedgehog15 Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2014  Student
Shade doesn't even look anything LIKE that ugly Lara-su. The only similarities are they're both female echidnas who use technology to fight. THAT'S IT.
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perrythehedgehog Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2014
And that's it; until everyone involved gets their heads out of their arses and admit that none of them own EVERYTHING and accept it won't always go their own way(s), the comic will continue to stagnate.
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AnTyep Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014
Unfortunately, if you were to point this out to Paramount Pictures, and Lucasfilm Entertainment (and possibly Disney as well), they probably would sue SEGA and Archie, not Penders.
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Vulpes-Sapien Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014
You forgot other jems, like the fact that Nack and his sister Nick fly around in a clear Millenium Falcon knock-off, and The Hunter uses both a Phaser Rifle and a Type-1 phaser (which he stunned Knuckles with).
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ZAKDerefF Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Not to mention Shade looks more like Tikal, who is a legitimate SEGA character. Honestly, the only similarity I see between the two is that they're both echidnas. Sure, Shade is also cyberpunk, but so is just about every other character in the Archie Sonic universe. 
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Shadowblade463 Featured By Owner May 31, 2014  Student Artist
Penders, is a fucking idiot
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Edgefox88 Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014
There are tons of other things he
s stolen form other forms of media, I was reading a line a super Sonic Special that said "be my guest be my guest be my guest" and I think to myself "Isnt that a line from beauty and the beast, was this story written by Pender's to?" (checks comic credits) "IT WAS, to that's another point to Pender's for being a fucking hypocrite" There's also several rip offs of the cartoon rugrats throughout the Knuckles the Echidna comic since that was a well known cartoon in the 90s.
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Vulpes-Sapien Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014
Their obvious usage of Slave I in that comic reminds me of a very old (relatively speaking) Star Trek comic where they drew an exact replica of a GI Joe Figure's (TARGAT) backpack as a starship.  I wonder how they (or Penders) got away with that.
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Louis-the-Hedgehog Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014
Well he's not going to get away with what he is doing now.
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Dogwhitesector Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2014  Student General Artist
I totally agree with this though...

Did Penders told the artist to depict several ships, in the comics, to be resembling other starships from sci-fi films? If he didn't then shouldn't Paramount Pictures or Lucasflms Enterainment be suing the artist for stealing their spaceship designs.

Just asking.
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Louis-the-Hedgehog Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2014
My point exactly. Basically he's making up the rules as he goes along because he only cares about himself.
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SuperShadow781 Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2014  Student Filmographer
Not to mention there is Dimitri the Echidna, who just so happens to look almost EXACTLY like Locutus from Star Trek
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Louis-the-Hedgehog Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2014
Heck, the whole Dark Legion was inspired by The Borg.
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We-All-Have-Rabies Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014  Student Artist
I should frame this.
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jawsisra Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2014  Student Artist
I want to know how he could even clamin they stole anything when  Kunckles was the first of his kind released by Sega  they have the right to release new characters  of the same speices  is he really trying to say that he has the right to some Sega Invinted.   Non of his characters  I believe show up in the game.

And if they did change the story  so What   the games and Comic are in 2 diffirent universes

I think Pender if given the chance would take claim he ownes Sonic  given how he has been acting
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Louis-the-Hedgehog Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2014
Thanks for the support.
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TeamNazo Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
shade is SEGA, not penders
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Louis-the-Hedgehog Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2014
Proves my point even further.
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jawsisra Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2014  Student Artist
He trying to say her story belongs to him but he also trying to take owner ship of the species  but he will run into problem there   the case might have been dismissed but  Sega can refile  or fille appeal to keep it going  If Sega or Archie can get a judge to say his copyrights are illegal and they can gain control of the characters then we could see them return later on.  I like how he trying to take claim that Eggman belongs to him  when  It was in Sonic Adventure
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Red-Jirachi-2 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2014
SEGA made Sonic first, so they deserve some of the rights. Besides, who doesn't want to see some of the Archie characters in the games?
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Louis-the-Hedgehog Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014
My thoughts exactly.
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shadowbane2009 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014
as much as I appreciate this diagram case its frigging hilarious :highfive: and quite epic....you might really get a bang out of this one....

:iconriversongplz::iconsaysplz: spoilers well hehehhe maybe =D fav.me/d703gk0
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FallenAngelCam7 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2013
Don't forget that the Death Egg is basically the Death Star with Eggman's ugly mug on it. :XD:

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Shockblast13 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2013
Yeah, but didn't that thing debut in the Sonic games before it turned up in the comics? Can't really say Penders stole that one.
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ValkerieAsura Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oo
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Hazlenaut Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2013

You have to give him point with when Sega stole the group the dark brotherhood. Yeah it is not name original the group descriptions is similar. As I said before you have to give him point for that one. Artist and company rights makes things complicated. You did show he is not 100% original.

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FireballStardraco Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2013
Maybe he should look at where Julie-sue came from and sue himself, after all wasn't it Knuckles the Echinda species were designed from?

Being honest I just think this whole thing his doing is silly and pointless, it really makes him look bad in my opinion.
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Louis-the-Hedgehog Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2013
Yeah, that adds even more to my point exactly.
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victauron Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Agreed. 
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ShittyChan Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
In a world where we we create base on influence there is bound to be some similarities between thing even art. 
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Louis-the-Hedgehog Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2013
There is a difference between similarities and outright stealing.

But I already explained this in the description.
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Kahunaangelica Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Um I'm pretty sure that's not stealing.
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Louis-the-Hedgehog Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2013
Which one?
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Kahunaangelica Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Shade.
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Louis-the-Hedgehog Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2013
I think that was the point I'm trying to make. Lately Penders has tried to sue EA/Bioware for "stealing" his ideas. And yet for all I know it was him who decided to pull stuff like this.
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Kahunaangelica Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Well I've got a species I created that's based off of Lucario but you don't here me being sued by Nintendo.
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Louis-the-Hedgehog Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2013
Did you make modifications?
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Kahunaangelica Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Well yeah, it can talk, it has psychic powers, it doesn't have a yellow belly or those spikes on it's hands or chest and instead of four black ponytail things it has a small blue mane and a longer tail, it also doesn't look like it's wearing pants.
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Louis-the-Hedgehog Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013
You see, YOU made modifications. Same as I did with my designs (read the description).
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